
09-30-2006, 08:55 AM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
The key goes in but doesn't rotate to any position
What should be the normal procedure?
If I replace the lock, I have to replace all other locks
I wonder if I just get a new key from the Acura people , it will last
a few more years since the key and the tumblers must be equally worn?
Can I replace the tumblers myself?
Can I temporarily disable the steering mechanical lock, use a ordinary
switch and take the assembly to a locksmith, if I find one that can do
the job ?
Please help.
Thanks
John
As my deceased old friend use to say, old things don't last very long.
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09-30-2006, 04:05 PM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
"John" <x@> wrote in message
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The key goes in but doesn't rotate to any position What should be the normal procedure? If I replace the lock, I have to replace all other locks I wonder if I just get a new key from the Acura people , it will last a few more years since the key and the tumblers must be equally worn? Can I replace the tumblers myself? Can I temporarily disable the steering mechanical lock, use a ordinary switch and take the assembly to a locksmith, if I find one that can do the job ?
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First, a look at
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/startpro...#ignitionswitch is in order.
My guess is it isn't the tumblers that are worn (disclaimer: I am not a
locksmith by any stretch of the imagination), especially if this problem has
come on rather suddenly rather than over the last couple years. When I took
my daughter's old Toyota to a locksmith because she was having trouble
unlocking the driver's door, he told me the problem is normally that the key
has worn. Duplicates have a double dose of the problem most of the time
because they are imperfect copies of an already worn key. He said if I
brought the passenger's lock cylinder he could make a key that would work
(the car didn't last that long, but that's another story involving a thrown
rod).
In your case, I expect you use the remote to lock and unlock the car. If the
locksmith's advice translates to this, you probably have some wear on the
ignition switch tumblers and more on the key. But I'm guessing the problem
could be outside the cylinder - steering wheel lock, electrical switch,
something like that. I think you can get the mechanism apart enough to
determine what is causing the problem.
Mike
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10-01-2006, 04:30 AM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
John <x@> wrote in news:v07th297hb0g2s34h17f2lrglu7tqmevmj@4ax.com:
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<snip>
Replace the key with a new one FIRST. Often these problems are simply due
to a worn key, not a worn lock cylinder.
If you still have the original key with the 4-digit number on it, the
dealer can order you a new key using that number. You'll need to go there
in person, with your ownership papers.
If you still have the valet key, it is identical to the regular key except
it's on a thicker blank. Take it to a hardware store and get a new new key
made from the valet (on a regular blank) for $3.
If a NEW key (and not one made from the old, worn out key) doesn't work,
report back here for instructions on how to do your other requests.
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The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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10-01-2006, 06:52 AM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
I have located 3 Acura keys with the 4 digits number and for unknown
reason all of them work fine today.
As per your suggestion I am going to get a copy of the valet key that
shows no sign of been used and wait for the best.
My be I should spray some W4 to the inside of the lock.
Thanks a million for your help
John
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:30:25 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
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<snip>Replace the key with a new one FIRST. Often these problems are simply dueto a worn key, not a worn lock cylinder.If you still have the original key with the 4-digit number on it, thedealer can order you a new key using that number. You'll need to go therein person, with your ownership papers.If you still have the valet key, it is identical to the regular key exceptit's on a thicker blank. Take it to a hardware store and get a new new keymade from the valet (on a regular blank) for $3.If a NEW key (and not one made from the old, worn out key) doesn't work,report back here for instructions on how to do your other requests.
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10-01-2006, 08:06 AM
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"John" <x@> wrote in message
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My be I should spray some W4 to the inside of the lock.
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If you mean WD-40, please don't. I have fought with several locks that have
been WD-40'd and it isn't pretty. The lock works great for a couple years,
then the remaining WD-40 stuff gets gummy. At that point the lock is in
trouble. I've never found anything that removes the gum, and using any real
lock lubricant only makes it worse. Another spray of WD-40 will loosen it up
for a while, but the gum undoubtedly builds up.
LockEase is my favorite; graphite in a kerosene (or similar) carrier. It's
available in most hardware stores and sprays in easily. Just be sure to
shroud the lock with a paper towel or rag, as the runoff is messy.
Mike
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10-01-2006, 12:59 PM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:06:39 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
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"John" <x@> wrote in messagenews:mbkvh29j0am8225rde80i7u80h3lphilpv@4ax .com...
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My be I should spray some W4 to the inside of the lock.
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If you mean WD-40, please don't. I have fought with several locks that havebeen WD-40'd and it isn't pretty. The lock works great for a couple years,then the remaining WD-40 stuff gets gummy. At that point the lock is introuble. I've never found anything that removes the gum, and using any reallock lubricant only makes it worse. Another spray of WD-40 will loosen it upfor a while, but the gum undoubtedly builds up.LockEase is my favorite; graphite in a kerosene (or similar) carrier. It'savailable in most hardware stores and sprays in easily. Just be sure toshroud the lock with a paper towel or rag, as the runoff is messy.Mike
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Yes, that WD-40 it's an interesting lubricant. A few moths ago I
decided to spray an outdoor electric outlet. The moment I finished
spraying, the cover jumped from the unit, landing about 4 feet from
base.
I couldn't understand the situation and I installed a new one and
again applied the same treatment with the same results.
Apparently the plastic that olds the spring that maintains the cover
on, gives up and the cover fly way from the box, without leaving any
evidence.
Thanks for the warning.
John
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10-01-2006, 01:48 PM
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John <x@> wrote in news:at90i29qhahv0d08tul7b6pgm8p99u89lf@4ax.com:
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:06:39 -0700, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
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"John" <x@> wrote in messagenews:mbkvh29j0am8225rde80i7u80h3lphilpv@4ax .com...
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My be I should spray some W4 to the inside of the lock.
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If you mean WD-40, please don't. I have fought with several locks thathave been WD-40'd and it isn't pretty. The lock works great for acouple years, then the remaining WD-40 stuff gets gummy. At that pointthe lock is in trouble. I've never found anything that removes thegum, and using any real lock lubricant only makes it worse. Anotherspray of WD-40 will loosen it up for a while, but the gum undoubtedlybuilds up.LockEase is my favorite; graphite in a kerosene (or similar) carrier.It's available in most hardware stores and sprays in easily. Just besure to shroud the lock with a paper towel or rag, as the runoff ismessy.Mike
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Yes, that WD-40 it's an interesting lubricant.
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It's not a lubricant. Neither is it a penetrant.
Nobody seems to know what "WD" stands for any more.
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10-01-2006, 02:00 PM
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Integra 91 I have a worn ignition switch
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
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Yes, that WD-40 it's an interesting lubricant.
It's not a lubricant. Neither is it a penetrant.
Nobody seems to know what "WD" stands for any more.
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WD40 is a very useful penetrant and lubricant for *some* things, but
powdered graphite is the best thing for squirting into locks. You can
even shave and grind bits off the lead of a soft pencil, if you've
nothing better to hand. It works wonders and it doesn't gum up the
works.
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10-01-2006, 03:07 PM
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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Yes, that WD-40 it's an interesting lubricant.
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It's not a lubricant. Neither is it a penetrant. Nobody seems to know what "WD" stands for any more.
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Water-Displacing.....formula #40.
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10-01-2006, 03:29 PM
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Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
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Yes, that WD-40 it's an interesting lubricant.It's not a lubricant. Neither is it a penetrant.Nobody seems to know what "WD" stands for any more.
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WD40 is a very useful penetrant and lubricant for *some* things, but powdered graphite is the best thing for squirting into locks. You can even shave and grind bits off the lead of a soft pencil, if you've nothing better to hand.
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Better be an 8B pencil, unless you like clay abrading your locks.
Pencils are a clay/graphite amalgam. Clay is hygroscopic, bad news for
your locks.
The best thing I've ever found is Rust Check or Krown T30, both only
available in Ontario, Canada. At less than -20F, it gets a bit thick, so
you have to turn the lock slowly, but it never gums up, evaporates or
collects water. Regular copious shots every few months will keep your
locks like new forever, and you'll NEVER suffer from frozen locks or
broken dust flaps.
Graphite-based substances are fine for the ignition lock, but not for
anything exposed to the weather. I don't care what anybody says. 25
years of experimentation and experience tell me what's best.
If you are unlucky and do not live in Ontario, any sewing machine or gun
oil will do. Kroil and PB Blaster are also decent. It's best to choose
an aerosol which will invade every nook and cranny of your lock, and
"creep" forever, repelling water always.
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