10-01-2006, 11:18 AM
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I have for the first time not bought a Saab, have gone for an A6 - could not
get excited about the 95.
However, have kept the 93 conv for the wife so will still keep an eye on the
posts and tips.
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10-01-2006, 12:10 PM
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in article C145D319.661%x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk, Mick x at
x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk wrote on 01/10/2006 20:18:
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I have for the first time not bought a Saab, have gone for an A6 - could not get excited about the 95. However, have kept the 93 conv for the wife so will still keep an eye on the posts and tips.
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Ah well ... The Audi A's are good cars. They feel very much like the SAABs
of that ilk. Personally, I'd go for the 9-5 Aero (not one of the new ugly
ones) over the A6 for style and driver feel, but each to their own.
What about getting a C900 for the weekend?
Paul
1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
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10-01-2006, 12:57 PM
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 If I had another garage.........
On 1/10/06 21:10, in article C145DF3B.58BD%pjgh@blueyonder.co.uk, "Paul
Halliday" <pjgh@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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in article C145D319.661%x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk, Mick x at x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk wrote on 01/10/2006 20:18:
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I have for the first time not bought a Saab, have gone for an A6 - could not get excited about the 95. However, have kept the 93 conv for the wife so will still keep an eye on the posts and tips.
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Ah well ... The Audi A's are good cars. They feel very much like the SAABs of that ilk. Personally, I'd go for the 9-5 Aero (not one of the new ugly ones) over the A6 for style and driver feel, but each to their own. What about getting a C900 for the weekend? Paul 1989 900 Turbo S http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
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10-01-2006, 01:36 PM
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Paul Halliday wrote:
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in article C145D319.661%x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk, Mick x at x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk wrote on 01/10/2006 20:18:
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I have for the first time not bought a Saab, have gone for an A6 - could not get excited about the 95. However, have kept the 93 conv for the wife so will still keep an eye on the posts and tips.
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Ah well ... The Audi A's are good cars. They feel very much like the SAABs of that ilk. Personally, I'd go for the 9-5 Aero (not one of the new ugly ones) over the A6 for style and driver feel, but each to their own. What about getting a C900 for the weekend? Paul 1989 900 Turbo S http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
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Nice to hear someone else calling the new 9^5 ugly. It really looks like
a cheap Peugot from late 90-ies, when you see one in your rear mirror.
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th
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10-01-2006, 08:21 PM
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In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se says...
Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I saw the
"New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time will be my
first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in seeking the general
public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But with time, those
900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3 and 9,5's (that looked
just like them) became more acceptable, and in they end they seem almost as
"pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we know that underneath things were
changing (and in fact, I am now driving one of them). From the 2003 and onward,
we know they are just Opel Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or
whatever are direct mid-market Japan imports...
I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo from
disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most "traditional" Saab
enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason to buy another.
GF
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10-02-2006, 02:28 PM
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In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se says... Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I saw the "New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time will be my first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in seeking the general public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But with time, those 900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3 and 9,5's (that looked just like them) became more acceptable, and in they end they seem almost as "pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we know that underneath things were changing (and in fact, I am now driving one of them). From the 2003 and onward, we know they are just Opel Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or whatever are direct mid-market Japan imports... I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo from disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most "traditional" Saab enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason to buy another.
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Already the 9^5 is to a large extent an Opel Vectra, containing a
significant amount of parts with quality problems. The most sad story is
however the engine, which is not a GM product, going from the excellent
and durable engines in the C900 and 9000 to the B205/235 with all their
problems. The 9^5 is my seventh and last Saab but it will be a tough job
finding a car with the same seating comfort, driver environment and
winter driving capabilities as Saab used to provide. However, when a car
manufacturer no longer seems to understand that the main idea of owning
a car is that you want to comfortably and safely go from point A to
point B and not end up at point C or be stuck at point A, and instead
spend their effort on fooling the consumers with various branding tricks
believing that it increases sales, that manufacturer is in trouble
(pooh, long sentence!)
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10-04-2006, 12:49 AM
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I have the new 9-5 and altough I first disliked it (on picture), I really
love the new make-up (my previous car was a 2002 9-5). As you American guys
say: 'it grows on you' ...
"th" <someguy@somewhere.se> schreef in bericht
news:logUg.18676$E02.7174@newsb.telia.net...
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In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se says... Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I saw the "New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time will be my first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in seeking the general public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But with time, those 900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3 and 9,5's (that looked just like them) became more acceptable, and in they end they seem almost as "pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we know that underneath things were changing (and in fact, I am now driving one of them). From the 2003 and onward, we know they are just Opel Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or whatever are direct mid-market Japan imports... I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo from disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most "traditional" Saab enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason to buy another.
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Already the 9^5 is to a large extent an Opel Vectra, containing a significant amount of parts with quality problems. The most sad story is however the engine, which is not a GM product, going from the excellent and durable engines in the C900 and 9000 to the B205/235 with all their problems. The 9^5 is my seventh and last Saab but it will be a tough job finding a car with the same seating comfort, driver environment and winter driving capabilities as Saab used to provide. However, when a car manufacturer no longer seems to understand that the main idea of owning a car is that you want to comfortably and safely go from point A to point B and not end up at point C or be stuck at point A, and instead spend their effort on fooling the consumers with various branding tricks believing that it increases sales, that manufacturer is in trouble (pooh, long sentence!) -- th
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10-04-2006, 06:19 AM
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I do not like the new front end. Seems out of place with the rest of
the car.
Dan
Renaat Mattheus wrote:
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I have the new 9-5 and altough I first disliked it (on picture), I really love the new make-up (my previous car was a 2002 9-5). As you American guys say: 'it grows on you' ... "th" <someguy@somewhere.se> schreef in bericht news:logUg.18676$E02.7174@newsb.telia.net...
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In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se says... Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I saw the "New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time will be my first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in seeking the general public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But with time, those 900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3 and 9,5's (that looked just like them) became more acceptable, and in they end they seem almost as "pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we know that underneath things were changing (and in fact, I am now driving one of them). From the 2003 and onward, we know they are just Opel Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or whatever are direct mid-market Japan imports... I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo from disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most "traditional" Saab enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason to buy another.
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Already the 9^5 is to a large extent an Opel Vectra, containing a significant amount of parts with quality problems. The most sad story is however the engine, which is not a GM product, going from the excellent and durable engines in the C900 and 9000 to the B205/235 with all their problems. The 9^5 is my seventh and last Saab but it will be a tough job finding a car with the same seating comfort, driver environment and winter driving capabilities as Saab used to provide. However, when a car manufacturer no longer seems to understand that the main idea of owning a car is that you want to comfortably and safely go from point A to point B and not end up at point C or be stuck at point A, and instead spend their effort on fooling the consumers with various branding tricks believing that it increases sales, that manufacturer is in trouble (pooh, long sentence!) -- th
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10-04-2006, 01:21 PM
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Good to hear - if you can, please keep us updated on your thoughts of pros
and cons with the new model.
On 4/10/06 09:49, in article 452375b3$0$5519$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be,
"Renaat Mattheus" <renaat.mattheus@skynet.be> wrote:
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I have the new 9-5 and altough I first disliked it (on picture), I really love the new make-up (my previous car was a 2002 9-5). As you American guys say: 'it grows on you' ... "th" <someguy@somewhere.se> schreef in bericht news:logUg.18676$E02.7174@newsb.telia.net...
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In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se says... Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I saw the "New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time will be my first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in seeking the general public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But with time, those 900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3 and 9,5's (that looked just like them) became more acceptable, and in they end they seem almost as "pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we know that underneath things were changing (and in fact, I am now driving one of them). From the 2003 and onward, we know they are just Opel Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or whatever are direct mid-market Japan imports... I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo from disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most "traditional" Saab enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason to buy another.
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Already the 9^5 is to a large extent an Opel Vectra, containing a significant amount of parts with quality problems. The most sad story is however the engine, which is not a GM product, going from the excellent and durable engines in the C900 and 9000 to the B205/235 with all their problems. The 9^5 is my seventh and last Saab but it will be a tough job finding a car with the same seating comfort, driver environment and winter driving capabilities as Saab used to provide. However, when a car manufacturer no longer seems to understand that the main idea of owning a car is that you want to comfortably and safely go from point A to point B and not end up at point C or be stuck at point A, and instead spend their effort on fooling the consumers with various branding tricks believing that it increases sales, that manufacturer is in trouble (pooh, long sentence!) -- th
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10-06-2006, 12:32 AM
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All the people around (family and friends, who are no Saab freaks :- ) ) me
react very positive to the 'new nose' of the 9-5, whereas there were a lot
of doubts about it in the local 'saab community'. I never got that much
reaction on my previous 9-5, altought the one before that was a VW Passat. I
think the Saab designers managed to do a good design upgrade on an old
model, after all : I really liked that 'old' model. Altough this is not the
reason why one buys a car, but many heads still turn around when I pass buy
with the new 'chrome' 9-5. And to be honest: I like this :-)
I drive the 1.9 Tid and I had the Hirsch Update implemented (175 HP, 370NM)
which is a very big difference with the standard power of this diesel
engine. The new 9-5 drives smoother than my 2002 one and there is less
disturbing noise inside. The interior also 'grows on you', altough it has
the reputaion of being 'not typical Saab'. I have the Infotainment Plus
package with GPS and Harman Kardon sound system, which really 'rocks' !
Conclusion : I really love my new 9-5 which offers a lot more 'style' than
all the 'common' BMW 5's and Audi A6's which seems to be sols d like '13 in
a dozain'.
BTW Here's a link to a picture of my Swedish baby :
http://cgim.audiogon.com/i/vs/s/f/1149409765.jpg
Renaat
"Mick x" <x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk> schreef in bericht
news:C149E472.6DE%x@mickx.eclipse.co.uk...
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Good to hear - if you can, please keep us updated on your thoughts of pros and cons with the new model. On 4/10/06 09:49, in article 452375b3$0$5519$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be, "Renaat Mattheus" <renaat.mattheus@skynet.be> wrote:
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I have the new 9-5 and altough I first disliked it (on picture), I really love the new make-up (my previous car was a 2002 9-5). As you American guys say: 'it grows on you' ... "th" <someguy@somewhere.se> schreef in bericht news:logUg.18676$E02.7174@newsb.telia.net...
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Greg Farris wrote:> In article <QxWTg.18401$E02.7289@newsb.telia.net>, someguy@somewhere.se> says...>> Funny thing about that - When I was driving my 1990 900 CAB, and I> saw> the "New Version" 900's nd 9000's, I said to the dealer, "Next time> will> be my first non-Saab automobile". I felt they had gone too far in> seeking> the general public, and were alienating their mainstream support. But> with time, those 900's and 9000's, along with the first generation 9,3> and 9,5's (that looked just like them) became more acceptable, and in> they end they seem almost as "pure Saab" as the older ones, even if we> know that underneath things were changing (and in fact, I am now> driving> one of them). From the 2003 and onward, we know they are just Opel> Vectras with Saab logos, and the latest 9,7's or whatever are direct> mid-market Japan imports...>> I have no doubt that GM has done what was needed to keep the Saab logo> from disappearing altogether, but it is not surprising hat most> "traditional" Saab enthusiasts will be hard pressed to find any reason> to> buy another.> Already the 9^5 is to a large extent an Opel Vectra, containing a significant amount of parts with quality problems. The most sad story is however the engine, which is not a GM product, going from the excellent and durable engines in the C900 and 9000 to the B205/235 with all their problems. The 9^5 is my seventh and last Saab but it will be a tough job finding a car with the same seating comfort, driver environment and winter driving capabilities as Saab used to provide. However, when a car manufacturer no longer seems to understand that the main idea of owning a car is that you want to comfortably and safely go from point A to point B and not end up at point C or be stuck at point A, and instead spend their effort on fooling the consumers with various branding tricks believing that it increases sales, that manufacturer is in trouble (pooh, long sentence!) -- th
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