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Old 10-04-2006, 04:46 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
and the code came up with
17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks


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Old 10-04-2006, 05:10 PM
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
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i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)and the code came up with17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks



SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy

Long Term Fuel Trim Add.
Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean.

Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")
Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control
Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70-
Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure
Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)

If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the
adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed
range. MAF failures are not uncommon...

Cheers

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Old 10-04-2006, 05:25 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy to
replace?
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
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i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)and the code came up with17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks
SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy Long Term Fuel Trim Add. Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean. Check intake air system for leaks ("false air") Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70- Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM) If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed range. MAF failures are not uncommon... Cheers /daytripper '00 s4 6spd



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Old 10-04-2006, 05:55 PM
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
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"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax .com...
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)and the code came up with17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks
SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy Long Term Fuel Trim Add. Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean. Check intake air system for leaks ("false air") Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70- Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM) If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed range. MAF failures are not uncommon... Cheers /daytripper '00 s4 6spd
sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy toreplace?


Look at this image:

http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gif

The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleaner
housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, but
you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not be
capable of doing...

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Old 10-04-2006, 06:04 PM
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:55:12 -0400, daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com>
wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax .com...
Quote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)>and the code came up with>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy Long Term Fuel Trim Add. Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean. Check intake air system for leaks ("false air") Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70- Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM) If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed range. MAF failures are not uncommon... Cheers /daytripper '00 s4 6spd
sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy toreplace?
Look at this image:http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gifThe MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleanerhousing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, butyou'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not becapable of doing.../daytripper'00 s4 6spd


fwiw, I put a close-up diagram of the MAF location here:

http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...maf_closeup.gif

The items shown are as follows:

1- wastegate bypass regulator valve -N75-
2- Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) purge regulator valve -N80-
3- power output stage -N122-
4- Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor -G70-

You'll need to remove the air cleaner housing to extract the MAF. This means
you'll likely have to disconnect the above four items and pull the hoses off
the housing to remove it.

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Old 10-04-2006, 06:04 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

thanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to a
mechanic
or this is something i can purchase?
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
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"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax .com...
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap>one)>and the code came up with>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy Long Term Fuel Trim Add. Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean. Check intake air system for leaks ("false air") Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70- Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM) If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed range. MAF failures are not uncommon... Cheers /daytripper '00 s4 6spd
sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easytoreplace?
Look at this image: http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gif The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleaner housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, but you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not be capable of doing... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd



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Old 10-04-2006, 06:14 PM
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:04:39 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:23p8i2ddff8s747neufis27scs5ldeuori@4ax .com...
Quote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax .com...> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap>>one)>>and the code came up with>>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks>>> SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy>> Long Term Fuel Trim Add.> Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean.>> Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")> Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control> Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70-> Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure> Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)>> If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check> the> adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed> range. MAF failures are not uncommon...>> Cheers>> /daytripper> '00 s4 6spdsorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easytoreplace?
Look at this image: http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gif The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleaner housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, but you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not be capable of doing... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd

thanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to amechanic or this is something i can purchase?


By "tool" I am referring to the diagnostic scan tool. I use VAG-COM, a
mainline dealer uses the official Audi/VW tool (1551, 1552, and others).
These tools are capable of performing adaptation cycles, coding units to
vehicles, clearing DTCs, setting readiness bits, etc, as well as diagnosing
problems.

The actual source of this particular problem can very likely be determined
with proper use of a capable scan tool. I flagged the MAF because they do
fail, more frequently than the other items on the potential list of indictees.
But I wouldn't simply replace it, because the problem may well not be the MAF.

I would let a qualified mainline service department work on this one...

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Old 10-04-2006, 06:22 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

from your previous diagnostic maybe i should just take it to a mechanic just
to make sure it's more than the MAF is the problem. i know its going to cost
me more money
but i have no way of checking if there's any air leaks..etc

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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:55:12 -0400, daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax .com...> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap>>one)>>and the code came up with>>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks>>> SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy>> Long Term Fuel Trim Add.> Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean.>> Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")> Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control> Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70-> Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure> Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)>> If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check> the> adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of> allowed> range. MAF failures are not uncommon...>> Cheers>> /daytripper> '00 s4 6spdsorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easytoreplace?
Look at this image:http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gifThe MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleanerhousing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, butyou'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not becapable of doing.../daytripper'00 s4 6spd
fwiw, I put a close-up diagram of the MAF location here: http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...maf_closeup.gif The items shown are as follows: 1- wastegate bypass regulator valve -N75- 2- Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) purge regulator valve -N80- 3- power output stage -N122- 4- Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor -G70- You'll need to remove the air cleaner housing to extract the MAF. This means you'll likely have to disconnect the above four items and pull the hoses off the housing to remove it. /daytripper '00 s4 6spd



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Old 10-04-2006, 06:27 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

i agree...thanks for your help and i will let you know what the problem
is...
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:04:39 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
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"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:23p8i2ddff8s747neufis27scs5ldeuori@4ax .com...
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message>news:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap>>>one)>>>and the code came up with>>>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks>>>>>> SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy>>>> Long Term Fuel Trim Add.>> Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean.>>>> Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")>> Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control>> Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70->> Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure>> Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)>>>> If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF,>> check>> the>> adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of>> allowed>> range. MAF failures are not uncommon...>>>> Cheers>>>> /daytripper>> '00 s4 6spd>>>sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy>to>replace? Look at this image: http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gif The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleaner housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, but you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not be capable of doing... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd
thanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to amechanic or this is something i can purchase?
By "tool" I am referring to the diagnostic scan tool. I use VAG-COM, a mainline dealer uses the official Audi/VW tool (1551, 1552, and others). These tools are capable of performing adaptation cycles, coding units to vehicles, clearing DTCs, setting readiness bits, etc, as well as diagnosing problems. The actual source of this particular problem can very likely be determined with proper use of a capable scan tool. I flagged the MAF because they do fail, more frequently than the other items on the potential list of indictees. But I wouldn't simply replace it, because the problem may well not be the MAF. I would let a qualified mainline service department work on this one... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd



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Old 10-05-2006, 04:53 PM
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Default engine light vag 17544 02/02

i took it to the mechanic and they mentioned that they need to smoke it to
find out where the leak is..hopefully this is not going to cost me a lot of
money
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i agree...thanks for your help and i will let you know what the problemis... "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:93q8i21lqh4p9ip9hv29hkbb45ov3cgdn6@4ax.com...
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:04:39 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quote:
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:23p8i2ddff8s747neufis27scs5ldeuori@4ax .com...> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:25:27 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>>>"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message>>news:g9m8i21rlq5aijgskbo8fn4tafsrau087k@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:46:10 GMT, "chewb40" <afabrig@shaw.ca> wrote:>>>>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap>>>>one)>>>>and the code came up with>>>>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks>>>>>>>>> SAE P1136 VAG 17544 MIL: 2 Dcy>>>>>> Long Term Fuel Trim Add.>>> Fuel, Bank1 System too Lean.>>>>>> Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")>>> Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control>>> Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70->>> Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure>>> Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)>>>>>> If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF,>>> check>>> the>>> adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of>>> allowed>>> range. MAF failures are not uncommon...>>>>>> Cheers>>>>>> /daytripper>>> '00 s4 6spd>>>>>>sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it>>easy>>to>>replace?>> Look at this image:>> http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr...er/1p8l_maf.gif>> The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air> cleaner> housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace,> but> you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not> be> capable of doing...>> /daytripper> '00 s4 6spdthanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to amechanic or this is something i can purchase?
By "tool" I am referring to the diagnostic scan tool. I use VAG-COM, a mainline dealer uses the official Audi/VW tool (1551, 1552, and others). These tools are capable of performing adaptation cycles, coding units to vehicles, clearing DTCs, setting readiness bits, etc, as well as diagnosing problems. The actual source of this particular problem can very likely be determined with proper use of a capable scan tool. I flagged the MAF because they do fail, more frequently than the other items on the potential list of indictees. But I wouldn't simply replace it, because the problem may well not be the MAF. I would let a qualified mainline service department work on this one... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd



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