10-10-2006, 04:42 AM
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Detergent Oil
Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What
exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does
someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I
should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great.
Brian
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10-10-2006, 04:57 AM
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"Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message
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Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great. Brian
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An odd mention; nearly all motor oil is detergent. I've only heard of
non-detergent oil being used for break-in, and I don't know anyplace that
stocks it.
The API rating and weight are the things you want to look for. I have heard
bad buzz about Havoline from my motorhead brother and a couple other
sources, but most major brands will do just fine. I also favor synthetic,
but I don't want to start that whole discussion again.
Mike
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10-10-2006, 01:49 PM
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Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great. Brian
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They must be using the same line of text from 30 years ago. All modern
fully formulated motor oils are "detergent" type oils. You can still
find SA rated non-detergent motor oils at dollar stores and some
convenience stores. Never use that junk! It wasn't any good in 1940
and it still is no good today  .
Any name brand oil labeled the latest "SM" and/or "GF-4" will work fine
for you as long as you stick with the severe service schedule of the
owners manual.
John
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10-10-2006, 06:38 PM
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John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great.
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They must be using the same line of text from 30 years ago. All modern fully formulated motor oils are "detergent" type oils. You can still find SA rated non-detergent motor oils at dollar stores and some convenience stores. Never use that junk! It wasn't any good in 1940 and it still is no good today .
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Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart
bottle of the stuff on my shelf.
This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those
"premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the
price.
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TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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10-10-2006, 07:33 PM
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Whats the reason for non-detergent oil in lawn mowers? My Honda mower calls
for 10w30 oil.
Scott
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10-10-2006, 08:24 PM
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great.
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They must be using the same line of text from 30 years ago. All modern fully formulated motor oils are "detergent" type oils. You can still find SA rated non-detergent motor oils at dollar stores and some convenience stores. Never use that junk! It wasn't any good in 1940 and it still is no good today .
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Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart bottle of the stuff on my shelf. This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those "premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the price.
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Actually no small engine (mower) manufacturer still recommends non
detergent oil,and lawn mower engines have come a long way via prodding by
the E.P.A. , believe it or not some engines on commercial mowers now come
with Bosch designed E.F.I. with computerised engine control, o2 sensors and
M.I.L. lights just like a car. Also, hydraulic lifters, some have catalytic
converters, and other advanced features.
However, I will admit in a $99 mower the non detergent oil won't hurt if
changed often, but when a serious 25-30 hp engine replacement costs $1700
and up don't take chances, use good oil.
Scott
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10-11-2006, 09:52 AM
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"Shredder" <shred@shredder.com> wrote in message
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Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil. What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this would be great. Brian
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OK .... this answered my question. Should I consider using synthetic or a
synthetic blend? or use Honda Oil?
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10-11-2006, 10:24 AM
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scott wrote:
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"TeGGeR�" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns9858E63C77913tegger@207.14.116.130:
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Shredder wrote:> Just got an 03 Odyssey. The manual says to use a detergent oil.> What exactly is a detergent oil. What brands of oil are a detergent> oil? Does someone make a synthetic or synthetic blend of detergent> oil? Maybe I should stick with Honda oil? Any thoughts on this> would be great.>>> They must be using the same line of text from 30 years ago. All modern fully formulated motor oils are "detergent" type oils. You can still find SA rated non-detergent motor oils at dollar stores and some convenience stores. Never use that junk! It wasn't any good in 1940 and it still is no good today .
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Lawnmowers still use straight 30wt non-detergent oils. I have a quart bottle of the stuff on my shelf. This is a good time to mention never to waste your money on those "premium" lawnmower oils. They're just 30-wt non-detergent, at twice the price.
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Actually no small engine (mower) manufacturer still recommends non detergent oil,and lawn mower engines have come a long way via prodding by the E.P.A. , believe it or not some engines on commercial mowers now come with Bosch designed E.F.I. with computerised engine control, o2 sensors and M.I.L. lights just like a car. Also, hydraulic lifters, some have catalytic converters, and other advanced features. However, I will admit in a $99 mower the non detergent oil won't hurt if changed often, but when a serious 25-30 hp engine replacement costs $1700 and up don't take chances, use good oil. Scott
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non-detergent oil is recommended for mowers because it doesn't emulsify
as bad when water gets into the crank case - as happens when they get
left out in the rain, then stored in a garage all winter.
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10-11-2006, 11:25 AM
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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
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Actually no small engine (mower) manufacturer still recommends non detergent oil,and lawn mower engines have come a long way via prodding by the E.P.A. , believe it or not some engines on commercial mowers now come with Bosch designed E.F.I. with computerised engine control, o2 sensors and M.I.L. lights just like a car. Also, hydraulic lifters, some have catalytic converters, and other advanced features. However, I will admit in a $99 mower the non detergent oil won't hurt if changed often, but when a serious 25-30 hp engine replacement costs $1700 and up don't take chances, use good oil. Scott
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non-detergent oil is recommended for mowers because it doesn't emulsify as bad when water gets into the crank case - as happens when they get left out in the rain, then stored in a garage all winter.
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Jim, your information is very much out of date. The oldest service
bulletin from Briggs and Stratton I could easily lay my hands on was from
1990 and even back then, 16 years ago they recommended detergent oil.
If you have a current owner's manual for your mower I would suggest you
read it.If you (or any one else)are interested I will try to find a link to
he service bulletins that apply.
Please don't take offense, I just had to say something as it is my job
to deal with misconceptions like this daily.
Scott
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10-11-2006, 12:09 PM
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scott wrote:
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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in news:MfCdnZD2NuV3q7DYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
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Actually no small engine (mower) manufacturer still recommends non detergent oil,and lawn mower engines have come a long way via prodding by the E.P.A. , believe it or not some engines on commercial mowers now come with Bosch designed E.F.I. with computerised engine control, o2 sensors and M.I.L. lights just like a car. Also, hydraulic lifters, some have catalytic converters, and other advanced features. However, I will admit in a $99 mower the non detergent oil won't hurt if changed often, but when a serious 25-30 hp engine replacement costs $1700 and up don't take chances, use good oil. Scott
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non-detergent oil is recommended for mowers because it doesn't emulsify as bad when water gets into the crank case - as happens when they get left out in the rain, then stored in a garage all winter.
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Jim, your information is very much out of date. The oldest service bulletin from Briggs and Stratton I could easily lay my hands on was from 1990 and even back then, 16 years ago they recommended detergent oil. If you have a current owner's manual for your mower I would suggest you read it.If you (or any one else)are interested I will try to find a link to he service bulletins that apply. Please don't take offense, I just had to say something as it is my job to deal with misconceptions like this daily. Scott
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no offense taken! i hardly ever mow the lawn, and read the manual even
less. i have however had to fix a crank case full of congealed
mayonnaise...
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